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Baske
18-11-2010, 21:13
Is het nu afkomstig van pancrase of van valetudo? Of komt valetudo ook van pancrase af?

RisingSun
18-11-2010, 21:22
Het is allemaal begonnen toen Pendekar Ray geboren werd en zichzelf begon te ontwikkelen. De rest is geschiedenis.

Hendy
18-11-2010, 21:25
Het is allemaal begonnen toen Pendekar Ray geboren werd en zichzelf begon te ontwikkelen. De rest is geschiedenis.

:lol: aangezien Baske nog niet zo lang post.. Pendekar Ray: Mixfight legend; (http://www.mixfight.nl/forum/showthread.php?108654-Pendekar-Ray-Mixfight-legend&highlight=pendekar)

edit: goede vraag btw;)

ICON
18-11-2010, 21:30
potatoe potato

blackadder
18-11-2010, 21:43
MMA history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Museum_of_Art#History)
:p
De eerste Vale Tudo evenementen werden geloof ik in de jaren 20 van de vorige eeuw georganiseerd. Dus zou ik denken dat dat de voorloper van het moderne MMA is.

Baske
18-11-2010, 21:46
... :P

'Dus ik zou denken'. Dat bedoel ik dus, ik weet niet waar het HUIDIGE MMA van afkomt. Want ik las net in een onderzoek in de introductie dat het huidige MMA van pancrase afkomstig is, maar ik weet niet of ik het daar mee eens moet zijn.

T15Boxing
18-11-2010, 21:52
Volgens mij was het een jonge Helio Gracie die voor het eerst regelmatig vechters van andere sporten ging uitdagen en dat hij uiteindelijk een eigen programma kreeg op tv met die gevechten en dat het Vale Tudo werd genoemd.

blackadder
18-11-2010, 22:04
... :P

'Dus ik zou denken'. Dat bedoel ik dus, ik weet niet waar het HUIDIGE MMA van afkomt. Want ik las net in een onderzoek in de introductie dat het huidige MMA van pancrase afkomstig is, maar ik weet niet of ik het daar mee eens moet zijn.
Oh. Je bedoelde het oude Pancrase. Dat van 3000 jaar geleden. Ik dacht dat je de Pancrase organisatie bedoelde.

Baske
18-11-2010, 22:06
Ja, ik zag de verwarring eigenlijk al aankomen maar heb er niet aan gedacht toen ik 't schreef.

Briant
18-11-2010, 22:11
Naast Vale Tudo is ook Shooto een van de belangrijkste oorsprongen van het huidige MMA. Shooto is ontstaan uit het japans pro-worstelen. Mensen wilden wel eens weten wat er zou gebeuren als de worstelaars niet van te voren afspreken wat er gaat gebeuren.
Verder zijn door de eeuwen heen altijd wel gevechten geweest tussen verschillende vechtstijlen. Denk eens aan de wedstrijd van Mohammed Ali tegen Inoki en van Gene 'Judo' Lebell tegen Milo Savage.

Dennuz
18-11-2010, 23:06
Although pancrase – a sport in the ancient Greek games that combined wrestling and
boxing – appears similar to MMA, the recent history of the sport is traced back to the
country of Brazil and in particular the Gracie family. The story of the beginning of
MMA in the USA – a beginning that spread to other countries like Japan, Canada,
and many in Western Europe – is a story of the beginning of a new martial art called
Brazilian, or Gracie, Jiu Jitsu. The name Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) was given to this art
to differentiate it from the traditional art of Japanese Jiu Jitsu from which it sprang.

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) began with the immigration of a highly skilled jiu jitsu
(judo) fighter named Count Komo (Mitsuo Maeda) from Japan. At the beginning of
the 1900s Japan was attempting to form a colony in the country of Brazil and Count
Komo immigrated in order to further the work of the Japanese in that country.
Komo was a skilled jiu jitsu fighter who had trained under the tutelage of the
famous Jigoro Kano, the founder of modern judo.
During Komo’s time in Brazil the Japanese colony was aided by a Brazilian
politician of Scottish descent named Gaston Gracie. As a means of thanking Gracie
for helping the colony, Komo began mentoring Gracie’s sons in the art of jiu jitsu
even though teaching the art to non-Japanese was forbidden at that time. Komo
continued teaching Gracie’s sons for a few years and then moved back to Japan,
leaving them to modify the art.
Of the Gracie’s sons, the most notable were Carlos, the athletic older brother,
and young Helio, a frail and small child. Carlos began modifying the art to make it
as practical as possible for the rough streets of Brazil. In the beginning, Helio
Gracie had difficulty with the techniques due to his small stature. To compensate
for his small size he practiced different leverage points to maximize the efficiency
of a technique allowing even a very small person to accomplish it and defeat a much
stronger opponent. Through Helio’s creativity and constant practice, BJJ became a
very practical and efficient art that truly allowed a smaller opponent to defeat a
larger one.
As Helio Gracie entered his athletic prime he and Carlos attempted to promote
their art by offering a challenge that any man of any size could request a fight.
These matches were called Vale Tudo , which means “anything goes” in Portugese,
the native language of Brazil. Helio fought many times in these first “no holds
barred” fights and his fame began to spread across the country.
Helio Gracie fought any and all comers for years in Brazil, even challenging the
great US heavyweight boxer Joe Louis to a fight (Louis declined). Over the next
half century, the name Gracie and the art of jiu jitsu that the family developed was
respected throughout the country of Brazil.
In the early 1990s, Rorian Gracie, one of the sons of Helio Gracie, helped create
a new enterprise called the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC). The UFC was
Rorian Gracie’s way of showcasing in the USA the effectiveness of the art that
his father had developed. In 1993, the first UFC was held in Denver, Colorado. It was
promoted as a no-holds-barred bloodsport with no weight classes, no time limits,
and few rules. This first UFC was fought in tournament format in which the winner
would continue competing until he won the bracket – three fights in one night.
Rorian and the Gracie family selected younger brother Royce Gracie to represent
the clan in this first UFC.
Although Royce Gracie only weighed around 175 lb (80 kg), he defeated all his
opponents by tap out (the opponent signaling their desire to end the match by tapping
the mat) even though he was outweighed in every fight, sometimes by as much
as 60 lb (27 kg). This first event caused three major happenings in the world of
martial arts. First, it catapulted the Gracie name into the fight business in the USA
and introduced their art, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, to American fight enthusiasts. Second,
it demonstrated the effectiveness of grappling techniques and the importance for a
fighter to know how to fight on the ground – until this time most fighters focused
solely on striking and the striking arts such as boxing, karate, and taekwondo.
Third, it coined a new term “ultimate fighting” that eventually developed into the
current sport of mixed martial arts.
Over the next decade the UFC and the sport of MMA went through difficult
times as they faced mounting criticisms from combat sports regulators and the
mainstream media. Senator John McCain lead the charge to ban the new sport, calling
it “human cock fighting” [1] and when no legitimate sport authority sanctioned
the events, the sport was forced to survive underground due to a lack of funding and
pressure from the government.
In 2001, a company named Zuffa bought the rights to the UFC and began working
with both the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board and the Nevada State Athletic
Commission to develop a set body of rules so that the sport could become a sanctioned
event in those states. Currently, the sport of MMA is sanctioned in approximately
30 states in the USA and its pay-per-view ratings top even well-promoted
boxing matches. In the USA, the sport of MMA is riding a wave of popularity
behind the creation of a cable television show and a marketing blitz by Zuffa and its
partners. The sport of MMA is now the fastest growing combat sport in the world.

Bron: R. Kordi et al. (eds.), Combat Sports Medicine,

tnk2k
18-11-2010, 23:24
Deze is ook leuk (voor nl dan):

http://www.skmo.nl/bestanden/42_grapplinginNed1.pdf

Baske
18-11-2010, 23:28
Lijkt bijna een mooie mythe XD Hartelijk dank!

Slome
18-11-2010, 23:30
Where did Jiu-Jitsu really came from?

The story of the gentle art in Brazil is much confuse. Many years after the coming of the Japanese Mitsuyo Maeda (Conde Koma) to our country, almost 100 years ago, people say complete different things about the origin of Jiu-Jitsu in Brazil, which has become an internationally known sport, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. People tell the same story from different perspectives, but there was anything on the original documents to prove the facts.

Obstinate to uncover the truth behind this messy story, TATAME Magazine prepared an exclusive article about the origin of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and how this story blends with Judo’s. “The mysteries and confusing stories were fed by fragmental versions which, in the absence of scientific research, ignorance and even passional manipulations replace the truth story”, affirms Tufy Cairus, digger of the history of Jiu-Jitsu and Judo in Brazil and expert on the trajectory of Conde Koma

Baske
18-11-2010, 23:58
Nog iets wat enorm interessant was om te lezen.

Lijkt me interessant om in dit topic een verzameling van geschiedenis te plaatsen. Als iemand dus nog meer perfecte artikels heeft over de geschiedenis van een sport, post ze!

cholitzu
19-11-2010, 00:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GesmWClbdeQ&feature=related

cholitzu
19-11-2010, 00:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u-lmW8gqZg&feature=fvw

cholitzu
19-11-2010, 00:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVS1_W7HK4&feature=related

Baske
19-11-2010, 01:17
Geweldige filmpjes :)

maartenjackie
19-11-2010, 07:23
Chuck norris heeft Mma bedacht las ik op internet

KABOEM
19-11-2010, 10:41
Wereldwijd zou ik zeggen kijk dit filmpje even af op momenten zie je MMA handelingen ;- )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJMLWhXQA_4

Baske
19-11-2010, 13:03
Chuck norris heeft Mma bedacht las ik op internet
Ik heb gelezen dat Chuck Norris te geweldig is om MMA uitgevonden te hebben. Hij was blijkbaar zó goed dat geen enkele vecht organisatie hem wilde aannemen. Overigens een beetje hetzelfde met Steven Seagal, maar in mindere mate.

cholitzu
19-11-2010, 13:40
http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/history.shtml

dirk5
19-11-2010, 14:06
er is ooit een film over gemaakt. Gladiator heet die volgensmij...

Briant
19-11-2010, 15:38
Hello Shooto:
Shoot-Wrestling/Shoot-Fighting
Forward by Larry Hartsell
Shoot Wrestling is a popular martial art and combative sport in Japan founded by Satoru Sayama and brought to the United States by former Shoot Wrestling Champion and highest-ranking instructor under Sayama, “Shootist” Yorinaga Nakamura. Shoot Wrestling, also called “Shooto”, “Shoot-Fighting”, or “Shooting”, is a unique blend of Russian Sambo, Judo, Jiujitsu, Catch-As-Catch-Can Wrestling, and Kick-boxing & Thai-Boxing.

A truly combative martial arts sport, Shoot Wrestling utilizes long range kicking, punching, kneeing, evasion, and footwork. Practitioners are allowed to throw, tackle, takedown, or sweep the opponent and continue on the ground fighting and engage into submission and locking.

“Shooto” is originally derived from the Japanese characters, Shu and To, the rough translation means to “acquire” and “fight”. Fight means not only a physical confrontation, but also a struggle to overcome and to persevere in life.

It was in the winter of 1984 that Satoru Sayama first established his dojo in Seta, Tokyo, which he named “Tiger Gym”. Later, he moved it to Sanjenjaya, Tokyo, where it became the now legendary “Super Tiger Gym”. It was in this new venue that the art, philosophy, and sport of “Shooto” were started in earnest.

Actual Shooto competition began in 1985. It was simply referred to as “Shooting” but only existed as amateur competition until 1989, when the first professional event took place at the Korakuen Hall in Tokyo in May of 1989. Within those first four years, the sport had time to evolve and grow until 1993 when most of the development process had reached an optimum level.

Shortly thereafter, the first U.F.C. competition was held in Denver, Colorado, U.S.A. After witnessing the effectiveness of the ground striking used there and in the initial Vale Tudo tournaments, then being held in Japan, which was prohibited in Shooto at the time, Sayama decided the sport must assimilate these techniques, thus evolving his vision even further in his Shoot Wrestling.

Ground punches to the head were fully implemented in 1995. This played a major role in making Shooto more technically exciting! The skill level of professional Shooto fighters began to increase substantially. Sayama’s chief student is Sensei Yorinaga Nakamura. Nakamura is the former Shooto World Champion and has carried on the Sayama legacy by brining Shooto to the U.S.A. by way of the famous Inosanto Academy of Martial Arts (Inosanto.com). There he has taught and certified Guro Dan Inosanto and Sifu Larry Hartsell (jkdassoc.com) and 2X Shoot Champion Eric Paulson to carry on the teachings of his mentor Sayama and to help perpetuate the sport here in the United States.

End Forward
I first witnessed Sensei Yorinaga’s amazing talents during my first visit to the Inosanto Academy around 1995-96 when he performed a fantastic Shooto seminar there amidst an eager crowd of martial artists. I was stunned to see how gracefully Yorinaga would slip and shoot in at his training partners with unbelievable skill! He easily flowed into transitions as he executed locks and submissions that most of had never seen even before. Here was a Master-Shootist on a level beyond most anyone I’d ever been exposed to prior or since!

Since then I’ve been fortunate enough to have taken classes under him at the Inosanto Academy, where he still trains his students during parts of the year when he lives here in Los Angeles. Most of the time he spends in his native Japan conducting business as the President of the Shooto Association and teaching his students there.

by Paul S. Lewis

Hello Shooto: a brief intro to shootfighting (http://www.amam-magazine.com/hello_shooto.html)

Gary
06-08-2012, 12:51
Beetje een up maar hier nog een leuke (Nederlandse) geschiedenis-van-mma/UFC (vanuit de gracie perspectief)

http://www.fightscene.nl/nl/service/de-geschiedenis-van-mma/

Tony
06-08-2012, 13:13
Pancrase moet je trouwens niet verwarren met Pankration...

Pancrase is de Oosterse competitie (waar o.a. Bas Rutten en de Shamrocks in vochten), Pankration is de oude griekse sport waarbij het no-holds-barred gevecht centraal stond.

rollermanskunk
06-08-2012, 13:37
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/23151544.jpg

TheSkindo
06-08-2012, 18:13
Shooto begon in Japan eerder dan Pancrase met wedstrijden maar het was als ik Enson moet geloven een grote zooi zonder structuur...Pancrase was idd een paar maanden eerder dan de UFC...Wel is het zo dat UFC de eerste aantal wedstrijden echt stijl tegen stijl was en er eigenlijk nog geen sprake was van MIXED Martial Arts en dat ze in Japan al bezig waren met een soort van Unified Rules en crosstraining. As for Gracie JJ...die wedstrijden waren NHB maar volgens mij was het ook meer stijl vs stijl als echt MMA, net als de Catch-as-can worstelaars in hun tijd. Mijn kennis van Vale Tudo en Luta Livre is niet groot genoeg om daar uitsluitsel over te geven...

TheSkindo
06-08-2012, 18:17
En ik moet even zeggen dat de UFC wel verantwoordelijk is voor de moderne manier van (cross)trainen en het door de populariteit wel verantwoordelijk is geweest voor de opleving van het moderne MMA in zijn huidige vorm. Eigenlijk kun je in het kort zeggen dat modern MMA een direct resultaat was van de UFC die indirect door allerlei stijlen en wedstrijdsystemen weer zijn beinvloed...beetje een cirkel dus...