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Northernmost
10-02-2013, 12:20
Regarding on going twitter conversation about why UFC hasn't put up a show in Holland yet and if it's possibly due to cage being banned in NL. So could guys give us up-to-date info on the subject of holding MMA events in a cage in Holland? What's the rule set that is used?
Marco (scheids)
10-02-2013, 12:21
As you said .... Cage is banned :-(
Northernmost
10-02-2013, 12:45
Out of all the countries central Europe I would have guessed that Holland would have been the last one to ban the use of cage.
Out of all the countries central Europe I would have guessed that Holland would have been the last one to ban the use of cage.
in the government of holland there is a big discussion about martial arts, because some shooting incidents happened in the audience during fights and because of possible criminal activity around the fighting business.
At this moment it is not even aloud to organize a big kickboks event in Holland.
As you said .... Cage is banned :-(
No, it's not...
It is a matter of municipal discretion. And right now there appear to be few municipalities who want to risk it. That's different from an outright ban.
Out of all the countries central Europe I would have guessed that Holland would have been the last one to ban the use of cage.
Holland is not what it used to be. Conservatives have taken over...
De dikke nudist
10-02-2013, 13:50
QQ
Holland is not what it used to be. Conservatives have taken over...
Dont listen to this dumbass, cagefighting lost its priviledges under the Kok administration who were about as conservative as Mao ze Tong. The war against kickboxing is also solely conducted by the labor party.
WiebeDTC
10-02-2013, 13:59
If fighting in the cage is banned in the Netherlands, since when? Cause i fought my first fight in a cage at Fight4Fun, At the Koryukan Dojo in Veldhoven, about a year and a half ago
Dont listen to this dumbass, cagefighting lost its priviledges under the Kok administration who were about as conservative as Mao ze Tong. The war against kickboxing is also solely conducted by the labor party.
Almelo..?
Usage of the cage or "safety boxing ring" as it's also called, it NOT banned in The Netherlands. As stated above, it's indeed a matter of municipal discretion and in the South of the Netherlands it's a lot easier to get it done, than in places like Amsterdam.
But saying "UFC 163 @ AMSTERDAM!" just sounds better than "UFC 163 @ EINDHOVEN", Americans have heard of Amsterdam, not Eindhoven. As long as you make it clear that the cage is used so that the fighers don't fall out of the ring, as happens with regular boxing rings, you might be able to persuade them more easily. MMA is not freefighting (no holds barred), but a lot of people still regard it as such, which is why it's hard to get things done over here.
@WiebeDTC:
Your sensei (Jan) has a good understanding with the city of Veldhoven, which is why they don't hassle him. He's made it very clear how and why the "safety ring" is used, instead of a regular boxing ring. And they agreed with him, which is why he is able to use it :)
Almelo..?
That was under a more conservative government then this one, so your wrong again.
~Don't be a follower ;)
That was under a more conservative government then this one, so your wrong again.
~Don't be a follower ;)
Ach lieverd...
As mentioned before, the national government has nothing to do with it. Cagefighting is allowed, and was allowed, also under the 'Kok administration'. What I mean by saying that the conservatives have taken over is that since the beginning of the 21st century there has been an increasing tendency -out of fear and mistrust- to prohibit all sorts of activities. The labor party is also guilty of this.
The mayor of Almelo happens to be a right wing conservative.
Justinian
10-02-2013, 15:44
No, it's not...
It is a matter of municipal discretion. And right now there appear to be few municipalities who want to risk it. That's different from an outright ban.
Exactly!!
Ach lieverd...
As mentioned before, the national government has nothing to do with it. Cagefighting is allowed, and was allowed, also under the 'Kok administration'. What I mean by saying that the conservatives have taken over is that since the beginning of the 21st century there has been an increasing tendency -out of fear and mistrust- to prohibit all sorts of activities. The labor party is also guilty of this.
The mayor of Almelo happens to be a right wing conservative.
I would argue the labor party has a lot more to do with creating the legislative hell hole which is the Netherlands, and when you talk about prohibiting martial arts events, Van Der Laan is a lot more prominent then 'Mayor of Almelo".
But its good to see you are peddling back, you just make a random politically charged statement without being able to back it up.
Conservativism= less regulation
Socialism= Regulate everything.
Just a basic lesson in political thought ;)
Exactly!!
I never said it was banned ;)
I would argue the labor party has a lot more to do with creating the legislative hell hole which is the Netherlands, and when you talk about prohibiting martial arts events, Van Der Laan is a lot more prominent then 'Mayor of Almelo".
But its good to see you are peddling back, you just make a random politically charged statement without being able to back it up.
Conservativism= less regulation
Socialism= Regulate everything.
Just a basic lesson in political thought ;)
No.
uhh... yes. You have absolutely no proof for your initial statement.
I would argue the labor party has a lot more to do with creating the legislative hell hole which is the Netherlands, and when you talk about prohibiting martial arts events, Van Der Laan is a lot more prominent then 'Mayor of Almelo".
But its good to see you are peddling back, you just make a random politically charged statement without being able to back it up.
Conservativism= less regulation
Socialism= Regulate everything.
Just a basic lesson in political thought ;)
Youre confusing conservatism with liberalism.
Youre confusing conservatism with liberalism.
Nope, liberalism only takes fiscal conservatism even further.
Conservatism=small government.
Liberalism= Free market solves all problems
Mao ze Tong.
Mao his tongue? Something like this?
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/291/c/d/tongue_out_by_aplit-d4da8nj.jpg
Mao his tongue? Something like this?
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/291/c/d/tongue_out_by_aplit-d4da8nj.jpg
lol, scherp
Nope, liberalism only takes fiscal conservatism even further.
Conservatism=small government.
Liberalism= Free market solves all problems
Ik ga even op zn nederlands.
Conservatisme betekent het behouden van bepaalde sociale en economische instellingen. Het kan zowel liberaal als socialistisch betekenen, afhankelijk van naar welke tijd/structuur je wil behouden. Conservatisme staat tegenover Progressivisme.
Liberaal en socialisitisch staan tegenover elkaar, socialisme vind dat het kapitaal door de overheid (of overheid achtige instantie) bewaakt moet worden, liberalisme vindt dat er zo min mogelijk overheidsbemoeienis moet zijn. Dit heb je zelf overigens al aangegeven. USA was aanvankelijk een erg liberaal land, maar tegelijkertijd ook erg conservatief op sociaal vlak, voornamelijk door de religieuze tradities die in stand gehouden moesten worden. Inmiddels onder Obama gaat USA langzaam een progressieve, doch socialistische kant op. (alhoewel echt socialisme in USA nooit zou aarden).
Conservatieven in USA zijn dus liberaal ingesteld. Conservatieven in Rusland die terug willen naar de tijden van voor de val van de muur zijn dus socialistisch ingesteld. Omdat de vrije markt in Rusland min of meer is doorgevoerd. Je ziet dus dat beide conservatieve groeperingen 2 totaal verschillende zaken willen. De een wil minder overheidbemoeienis (USA) de ander juist meer (Rusland).
Socialistisch / Liberaal
Conservatief / Progressief
Nope, liberalism only takes fiscal conservatism even further.
Conservatism=small government.
Liberalism= Free market solves all problems
Gniffel.
En met MMA bedoel je eigenlijk tennis?
Strange Cutbean
10-02-2013, 23:47
Dont listen to this dumbass, cagefighting lost its priviledges under the Kok administration who were about as conservative as Mao ze Tong. The war against kickboxing is also solely conducted by the labor party.
It was a conservative minister, Erica Terpstra who 'banned' it because she was disgusted by it.
Italian*Berlusconi*
10-02-2013, 23:53
the funny thing is, fighting under the same rules is no problem in a ring, but in a cage it's a problem. Simpleminded at its best...
Strange Cutbean
10-02-2013, 23:56
Ik blijf het herhalen; Ieder jaar vallen er meer als twee honderd doden in de alpen. Skiers, ongeveer 75 en wandelaars, ongeveer 140. (even uit mijn hoofd) Als een bergbeklimmer een ongeluk krijgt moet een hele rits mensen hun leven wagen om deze te redden of zijn/haar lijk te bergen. Maar als ik een beetje moeilijke berg beklim krijg ik een lintje van de koningin en als ik in een kooi wil vechten of dit wil organiseren heb meer zekerheid dat dit niet mag dan kans dat het wél mag. Want kooivechten, bah, dat moeten wij niet willen met zijn allen.
All of it has to do with the perception and acceptance of prize fighting in Dutch culture, rational facts have little to do with it. It has never been embedded and even before the incidents that have occurred cage fighting has always been perceived as a barbaric activity at best.
Italian*Berlusconi*
10-02-2013, 23:59
All of it has to do with the perception and acceptance of prize fighting in Dutch culture, rational facts have little to do with it. It has never been embedded and even before the incidents that have occurred cage fighting has always been perceived as a barbaric activity at best.
i think the first cage fight in Belgium has something to do with that :(
2 refs in the cage and Rooze could stomp a wrestler / boxers face in till the towel was thrown in.. those images arn't forgotten by the media in stead of the beautifull images of the MMA world today... :(
i think the first cage fight in Belgium has something to do with that :(
2 refs in the cage and Rooze could stomp a wrestler / boxers face in till the towel was thrown in.. those images arn't forgotten by the media in stead of the beautifull images of the MMA world today... :(
Perhaps, but i think the general concept of two human beings fighting in a cage as you would put two animals in a cage to fight each other is a concept that repulses a lot of people.
Johannes de Sloper
11-02-2013, 09:37
Yes, people tend to see it as dog fights to the death.
The whole "Two go in, one comes out" thing you see in movies as well.
The whole image of the cage has to change.
It's up to the sport to show the mainstream audience that MMA in a cage is safer than in a boxing ring.
And that MMA is not a bloodsport, but a normal fightsport with rules, regulations and referees.
It's not going to be easy, but if we ever want the sport to get accepted, it's the only way to go.
It would be great if the UFC could come over to the Netherlands and show the people how it can be done.
With normal big companies sponsoring it, with live coverage all over the world.
Bringing some big bucks to Holland at the same time.
But then again, at UFC 99 (which was pretty awesome for us Dutch guys since it was so close) the press was awful.
And the politics jumped on it, wanting to ban the sport and all you saw afterwards was the face of Struve.
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