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Illuminati
03-11-2004, 17:10
Wat verdienen vechters eigenlijk als ze een gevecht voor Pride vechten? Vroeg het me af omdat ik net de documentaire zag over KOTC en die gasten verdienden een aantal jaar terug maar $400 per gevecht. Niet echt veel dus......

Nu snap ik dat Pride een stuk groter is en in de toekomst alleen nog maar groter gaat worden, maar ik hoorde laatst dat Wanderlei vorig jaar 1miljoen dollar kreeg voor zijn optreden tegen Jackson. Of dit waar is weet ik niet helemaal. Iemand?

Plus denken jullie dat Pride groter gaat worden dan K1?

Nicky
03-11-2004, 17:20
Wanderlei verdient zon 200 a 250.000 dollar.

Barnett kreeg voor zijn partij tegen Crocop 100.000

De undercard partijen zijn tussen de 20.000 en 50.000

bloody
03-11-2004, 17:22
zijn lekkere bedragen hoor en dat voor het beoefenen van je hobby, er zitten risico's aan but your living on the edge and that's what counting

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03-11-2004, 17:38
hangt ook van het gewicht af geloof ik, sudo verdiende een jaar geleden ongeveer 5000 dollar per partij...

Nicky
03-11-2004, 17:42
hangt ook van het gewicht af geloof ik, sudo verdiende een jaar geleden ongeveer 5000 dollar per partij...

Dat is de UFC...

De prijzen daar van een title gevecht tegen een undercard partij is enorm!

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03-11-2004, 17:45
:twak:
sorry, niet goed gelezen...

makavelli
03-11-2004, 17:51
Top vechters bij pride verdienen dus meer als bij K-1 als ik het goed begrijp?

Jase
03-11-2004, 18:08
Ernesto zei in een interview dat bij de K-1 bepaalde grote boxers ook erg hoge gages krijgen (zijn ze gewend en anders komen ze niet).

Nickuraba
03-11-2004, 18:29
zit wat in, wel lullig dat bijv mike tyson dan meer zou schuiven dan de huidige K-1 garde die hart en ziel voor de sport en de toeschouwers geven.

Pride verdient geloof ik beter, andres ging mirko wel terug

Nicky
03-11-2004, 18:32
Nog blijft ook bij Pride, terwijl de K-1 hem wou hebben.

De K-1 is financieel heel erg achteruit gegaan nadat Ishi werd opgepakt voor belasting fraude.

Highline
03-11-2004, 23:29
Nog blijft ook bij Pride, terwijl de K-1 hem wou hebben.

De K-1 is financieel heel erg achteruit gegaan nadat Ishi werd opgepakt voor belasting fraude.

ja dat geloof ik best, sinds ishi weg is , is de k-1 in het geheel achter uitgegaan

Hollandpride
04-11-2004, 01:11
Ik ving laatst een keer op dat Yoshida per gevecht rond de 1 miljoen dollar verdiend. Kan dit kloppen?

Nicky
04-11-2004, 08:03
Nope

makavelli
04-11-2004, 17:26
Hier een artikel van mmaweekly.com over salarissen in de UFC

WHAT DO PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS MAKE? DEPENDS WHICH ORGANIZATION YOU ARE IN

by Ivan Trembow

Part 1

It's a question fighters get all the time. "How much money do you make?" To get the answer to that question, it comes down to where you are in your career.

Chuck Liddell said on MMAWeekly recently that he loves fighting so much that he would fight for "$100 bucks". If your just starting out, enjoy the $100 bucks to fight. Basically it's the experience you are after to become a seasoned fighter. If your fighting for the money, you better get a new career. If your very good in the States, then you better make it to the UFC to make any sort of money. If you want to make a lot of money, you better be good enough to fight on the big shows in Japan.

If your a great fighter and your not fighting in the UFC, you better have another job, maybe two to survive in this doggie dog world of mixed martial arts.

It's been awhile since we heard from MMAWeekly's Ivan Trembow, but once again he goes in depth into fighters salaries as he gives you the most detailed look in MMA today of what the possibilities are of trying to make a living as a fighter in MMA.

This is Part I of a two part series which is copywritten and exclusive for MMAWeekly readers only by the one and only Ivan Trembow.....

INSIDE THE LIFE OF AN MMA FIGHTER PART 1

BY Ivan Trembow

This is an article that has been months in the making as I've compiled different numbers and medical histories from fighters and promoters along the way breaking down our great sport of mixed martial arts.

In Part 1 today you will find the fighter salaries for all kinds of shows. Some of them are mid major shows like King of the Cage or WEC. Some are the recent bigger shows like UFC 46 and UFC 47. There are also a few numbers from Japanese shows like Shooto, K-1, Inoki and Pride with plenty of notes and analysis along the way.

There is a myth out there that some promotions pay big money. That seems only true if your a "name" fighter in Japan or in some cases the UFC.

It's amazing to see how little money some of these fighters are making in respected mid major organizations; such as, the IFC, King of the Cage, WEC, etc....

Bottom line- you better fight for the love of the sport; instead of, the money of the sport. Like boxing, if you don't have a big name, you won't make much money. Even if you make a name, your still not guaranteed the huge money.

Case in point- King of the Cage. KOC has been regarded as one of the bigger shows in America. Even with UFC veterans on this card, it's interesting to note a guy of Dennis Hallman's skill, isn't being paid what you or I consider Halllman should be paid. So is the life of a great fighter....

This is all public record from Nevada as this was the King of the Cage 18 event that took place on August 16, 2003...the following information is to show young aspiring fighters out there that you better love to fight for the experience and passion, not the big bucks you think is out there in MMA.

KING OF THE CAGE 18 - August 16th, 2003

-Dennis Hallman: $4,000 ($4,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $0)
-Benji Radach: $2,000 ($1,000 for fighting; $1,000 win bonus)
-Drew Fickett: $2,000 ($1,000 for fighting; $1,000 win bonus)
-Art Santore: $1,250 ($1,250 for fighting; $0 win bonus)
-Joey Villasenor: $1,250 ($750 for fighting; $500 win bonus)
-Gustavo "Ximu" Machado: $1,000 ($1,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $1,000)
-James Fanshier: $1,000 ($1,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $500)
-Jason Coronado: $1,000 ($500 for fighting; $500 win bonus)
-Steve Renaud: $800 ($800 for fighting; win bonus would have been $200)
-Rick Collup: $750 ($750 for fighting; win bonus would have been $0)
-Bo Cantrell: $600 ($400 for fighting; $200 win bonus)
-Casey Balkenbush: $600 ($400 for fighting; $200 win bonus mmaweekly)
-Sean Gray: $500 ($500 for fighting; win bonus would have been $500)
-Rockne Batastini: $500 ($500 for fighting; win bonus would have been $500)
-Jake Short: $500 ($250 for fighting; $250 win bonus mmaweekly)
-Khomkrit Nilmi: $400 ($200 for fighting; $200 win bonus)
-Paul Purcell: $250 ( $250 for fighting; win bonus would have been $250 )
-Danny Mann: $200 ($200 for fighting; win bonus would have been $200)


Total Fighter Payroll: $18,600

Notes on King of the Cage Salaries and MMA Salaries in General:

-This was a King of the Cage event (later broadcast on pay-per-view) that was headlined by Dennis Hallman vs. Drew Fickett and Benji Radach vs. Gustavo Machado. The pay scale for this event is typical for a King of the Cage event; as even, "name" fighters like Hallman aren't making a heck of a lot of money. Any MMA events taking place in America that are smaller than King of the Cage have an even smaller pay scale.

-If you're thinking, "Oh my God, those guys are fighting for peanuts," you should keep this in mind. Fighters don't fight in KOTC or other small MMA promotions to make a lot of money. They do it for one of two reasons in most cases: A) They just love to fight and are committed to some other full-time job that is not MMA-related, or B) They're hoping to make a name for themselves so that they can one day make it to the UFC.

-Of course, if they do ever make it to the UFC, they're not going to make too much more than their KOTC pay initially. It's all about the opportunity, in this order on the timeline: The opportunity to fight in the UFC, the opportunity to become a star in the UFC, and then the opportunity to make five or six figures per fight in the UFC. Not many people make it that far (just as not many people sign $50 million NFL contracts), and how much money you make once you become a star is all relative to how much money your sport makes in profit. Individual UFC events make little or no profit at this point in the sport's growth, so the star fighters in the United States make five or six figures rather than signing seven or eight figure contracts. Maybe top MMA stars in the United States will make millions of dollars five or ten years from now; but in the meantime, it's just not realistic.

-One other thing you might notice in the King of the Cage pay scale is that there are all kinds of different salaries and contract structures. Some of the fighters are paid all of their money just to fight and don't have win bonuses, some fighters have smaller win bonuses, and some fighters' "win money" is just as much as their "show money." It's much less formal and more flexible than a bigger organization like the UFC, where well over 90% of the fighters have the same contract structure (where a fighter makes X amount of money to fight, and makes that same amount again if they win).

Salaries in Japan

For much of the same reasons that bigger MMA promotions in the United States can afford to pay fighters more than smaller MMA promotions, fighters generally make a lot more money fighting in Japan than they ever possibly could in the United States. The reason is simple: MMA and its sister sport of kickboxing are like mainstream sports in Japan. So, there are several Japanese organizations capable of paying fighters big money, whether you're on the bottom of the pay scale or the top.

While specific information on each fighter's pay is not available for any Japanese organization, MMAWeekly has uncovered the Japanese and American salaries of a handful of American mixed martial artists. We are presenting this information for the purposes of comparison, to illustrate the point that there are two different pay scales for MMA depending on whether you're talking about American MMA or Japanese MMA. Some of these numbers are educated guesses from Japan with what some fighters reported to us.

Alex Steibling in America--- $1,000 to fight and $1,000 more to win in the WEC

Alex Steibling in Japan--- $15,000 to fight and $15,000 more to win in Pride

Dan Henderson in America--- $20,000 to fight and $20,000 more to win in the UFC; this was at UFC 17 when the UFC was owned by SEG; this salary is probably still the most Henderson could expect to make in the UFC today as a middleweight

Dan Henderson in Japan--- $65,000 to fight Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at Pride 24 in December 2002

Din Thomas in America--- $12,000 to fight and $12,000 more to win in the UFC (this was the high point of his UFC contract)

Din Thomas in Japan--- $25,000 to fight on the Antonio Inoki New Year's Eve show; win bonus would have been an additional $15,000

Jens Pulver in America--- $11,000 to fight and $11,000 more to win in the UFC (this was the high point of his UFC contract, even when he was the UFC Lightweight Champion)

Jens Pulver in Japan--- $50,000 to fight in Shooto

Jeremy Horn in America--- $6,000 to fight and $6,000 more to win in the UFC

Jeremy Horn in Japan--- $50,000 to fight (was paid this salary by two different organizations in Japan)

Matt Lindland in America--- $18,000 to fight and $18,000 more to win in the UFC (this is excellent pay for any mixed martial artist in the United States)

Matt Lindland in Japan--- Pride executives offered him $50,000 to fight Kazushi Sakuraba last December before abruptly changing their plans

Rich Clementi in America--- $2,000 to fight and $2,000 more to win in the UFC (this is what almost all UFC rookies make mmaweekly)

Rich Clementi in Japan--- $15,000 to fight in the ZST lightweight tournament; win bonus for winning the tournament would have been an additional $50,000 mmaweekly

Rich Franklin in America--- $5,000 to fight and $5,000 more to win in the UFC

Rich Franklin in Japan--- $25,000 to fight on the Antonio Inoki New Year's Eve show




UFC 46 Fighter Salaries


-Vitor Belfort: $130,000 ($100,000 for fighting; $30,000 win bonus)
-Randy Couture: $120,000 ($120,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $80,000)
-Frank Mir: $90,000 ($60,000 for fighting; $30,000 win bonus)
-Matt Hughes: $55,000 ($55,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $55,000)
-BJ Penn: $50,000 ($25,000 for fighting; $25,000 win bonus)
-Carlos Newton: $30,000 ($30,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $0)
-Matt Serra: $16,000 ($8,000 for fighting; $8,000 win bonus)
-Renato Verissimo: $10,000 ($5,000 for fighting; $5,000 win bonus)
-Josh Thomson: $8,000 ($4,000 for fighting; $4,000 win bonus mmaweekly)
-Lee Murray: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting; $3,000 win bonus)
-Georges St. Pierre: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting; $3,000 win bonus)
-Hermes Franca: $6,000 ($6,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $6,000)
-Wes Sims: $5,000 ($5,000 for fighting, win bonus would have been $5,000)
-Jorge Rivera: $3,000 ($3,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $3,000)
-Karo Parisyan: $3,000 ($3,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $3,000 mmaweekly)
-Jeff Curran: $2,500 ($2,500 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)
-Total Fighter Payroll: $540,500

UFC 47 Fighter Salaries


-Tito Ortiz: $125,000 ($125,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $50,000)
-Chuck Liddell: $100,000 ($50,000 for fighting; $50,000 win bonus)
-Andrei Arlovski: $23,000 ($15,000 for fighting; $8,000 win bonus)
-Genki Sudo: $16,000 ($8,000 for fighting; $8,000 win bonus)
-Wes "Cabbage" Correira: $12,000 ($12,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $12,000)
-Yves Edwards: $12,000 ($6,000 for fighting; $6,000 win bonusmmaweekly)
-Robbie Lawler: $8,000 ($8,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $8,000)
-Hermes Franca: $6,000 ($6,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $6,000)
-Nick Diaz: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting; $3,000 win bonus)
-Mike Kyle: $6,000 ($3,000 for fighting; $3,000 win bonus)
-Wes Sims: $5,000 ($5,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $5,000)
-Chris Lytle: $4,000 ($2,000 for fighting; $2,000 win bonus mmaweekly)
-Jonathan Wiezorek: $4,000 ($2,000 for fighting; $2,000 win bonus)
-Mike Brown: $2,000 ($2,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)
-Tiki Ghosn: $2,000 ($2,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)
-Wade Shipp: $2,000 ($2,000 for fighting; win bonus would have been $2,000)
Total Fighter Payroll: $333,000

Notes on UFC 46 and UFC 47 Salaries:

-Taking home $50,000 to fight and $50,000 more if you win is hardly chump change. A contract can be greater or smaller depending on if your coming off a loss like Chuck Liddell was. Tito's original deal in his six fight deal was already in place, thus Chuck isn't making "Tito" money. Randy Couture, Vitor Belfort, Matt Hughes, Frank Mir, and Tito Ortiz are all making more money at this point than Liddell. Four of the five have been UFC Champions. Mir on the other hand has not."


-BJ Penn's pay of $25,000 to fight and $25,000 more to win is huge for a lower-weight fighter and is about as good as it gets for a welterweight or lightweight fighter in the United States (other than an established long-term champion like Matt Hughes). Penn might get up to Hughes' level of pay after several successful title defenses, but it would surprise me if it happened before then.

-Vitor Belfort signed a three-fight contract in 2001 that paid him $100,000 to fight and $30,000 more to win. The Couture fight was the third and final fight on that contract, so when/if Belfort steps into the Octagon in the future, it may or may not come with a negotiated raise in pay.

-Much like Belfort, Genki Sudo was completing the last fight on a three-fight deal with his most recent UFC fight. With the amount of money that Genki Sudo is paid in Japan for circus matches like fighting Butterbean, I would be surprised to see him fight in the UFC again unless Zuffa decided to offer him a big raise. Sudo is likely to be another fighter leaving the UFC, although for very different reasons than other fighters like Ricco Rodriguez and Pedro Rizzo (both of whom were grossly overpaid and won't be fighting in the UFC in the forseeable future unless they take drastic pay cuts).

-Fighters making anywhere from $2,000 to $5,000 to fight and essentially having their paychecks doubled if they win is the standard fare for anyone who only has 1-3 UFC fights under their belt. It's pretty much accepted that your pay is going to start out at that miniscule level, and increase steadily over time if you're brought back. Your pay will then shoot up to five-figures if you become a big star, or six-figures if you become a mega-star (or Tank Abbott).

-The competition from Pride for the services of top heavyweight fighters ensures that the UFC is going to have to pay a lot to keep any heavyweight star, but even by those standards it was surprising to learn that Frank Mir's UFC 46 contract paid him $60,000 to fight and $30,000 more to win.

-It was equally surprising to me that Robbie Lawler still has a four-figure contract and only makes more than $10,000 per fight if he wins; given the fact, that he has become an unofficial Zuffa poster boy and is pushed by the UFC as a superstar. His salary of $8,000 to fight and $8,000 more to win is good pay for a welterweight fighter, but not your usual "star" paycheck.

-Carlos Newton's UFC 46 contract that paid him $30,000 to fight and had no winning bonus is not different or "suspicious" in any way, as a few people have suggested on message boards. Newton has always fought with gauranteed, no-win-bonus contracts when he fights in the United States. That's probably the only thing that makes it financially worthwhile for him to fight in the U.S.; due to the fact, that he makes so much more money in Japan.

-In addition to other small fees and taxes, fighters who are not US citizens have a whopping 30% of their pay (both "show money" and "win money") taken by the state of Nevada in the form of taxes. At UFC 47, this applied to three of the sixteen fighters on the card (Andrei Arlovski, Hermes Franca, and Genki Sudo).

Comparative Notes on Total Fighter Payroll

UFC 44: $467,500
UFC 46: $540,500
UFC 47: $333,000

Comparative Notes on Number of Fighters Making $10,000 or More

UFC 44: 8 out of 18 fighters made $10,000 or more
UFC 46: 8 out of 16 fighters made $10,000 or more
UFC 47: 6 out of 16 fighters made $10,000 or more

As you can see, if you want to make it big in the United States, you better fight in the UFC. If you are a UFC fighter and you want a big pay day, then Japan, who draws sometimes 50,000 to 100,000 fans in K-1 or Pride and is sometimes shown on free TV,can afford to pay you more money. It's all on the tickets sales you generate for an event and TV.

Tomorrow, I break down the Medical histories of fighters as we continue our series of Inside the Life of the MMA Fighter in Part II tomorrow. I hope you enjoyed it and would appreciate your feedback on the Soundoff Forum. Thank you - Ivan Trembow

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04-11-2004, 20:42
:thumbs: thnx

Sjaak
04-11-2004, 21:06
Hier nog een overzichtje van verdiensten van vechters :

Beginnende A partij € 500,-

Fikri Tijarti: tussen de 8.000 en 10.000 per partij
Yoeri mess: tussen de 8.000 en 10.000 per partij

Rayen Simson: tussen de 6.000 en 9.000 per partij
Najim etthoulali: tussen de 5.000 en 9.000 per partij

Drago: tussen de 4.000 en 8.000 per partij
Rus: tussen de 4.000 en 9.000 per partij
Kaas: tussen de 4.000 en 8500 per partij

Vincent Vielvoye: tussen de 5.000 en 8.000 per partij
Balrak: tussen de 7500 en 9500 per partij
Moestafa Ziani: tussen de 4.000 en 6500 per partij

Bader hari: tussen de 8.000 en 12.000 per partij

Marco
05-11-2004, 11:14
altijd interessant om te weten, maar hoeveel verdienen onze jongens in de k1 en pride ?

Anonymous
08-11-2004, 17:11
zijn lekkere bedragen hoor en dat voor het beoefenen van je hobby, er zitten risico's aan but your living on the edge and that's what counting


Ik zie hier de meest fantastische bedragen maar zal jullie even uit de droom helpen.
kijk onderstaande foto is een mooi voorbeeld allemaal blije mensen:
Sem is blij dat ie gewonnen heeft en met zo`n mooie beker,dave is blij voor sem,bas kijkt naar die golden glory shirts
en denkt aan al die shirts die hij in nederland gaat verkopen en jelle (iedereen denkt dat er alleen een spons in z`n emmertje zit) maar
wat dacht je wat al die fans er in mikken als ze terug lopen naar de kleedkamers.
Het klinkt allemaal heel wat maar die jongens moeten het hebben van de neveninkomsten en het plezier in hun hobby
http://ca1n.c.yimg.jp/sportsnavi/20041106_titans1st/sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/other/photo/200411/06/a06/pict/pict15.jpg

H POWER
08-11-2004, 17:13
Verdomme vergeten in te loggen,hierboven was ik dus

Marco
09-11-2004, 14:03
neveninkomsten is denk ik voor portier Jelle het geval (en waarschijnlijk ook zijn hobby)
maar voor die andere drie lijkt het me toch wel dat ze er ook wel wat aan overhouden want Sem staat niet voor een appel en een eitje te knokken, toch ?

Fr3ddy
10-11-2004, 00:35
Hier nog een overzichtje van verdiensten van vechters :

Beginnende A partij € 500,-

Fikri Tijarti: tussen de 8.000 en 10.000 per partij
Yoeri mess: tussen de 8.000 en 10.000 per partij

Rayen Simson: tussen de 6.000 en 9.000 per partij
Najim etthoulali: tussen de 5.000 en 9.000 per partij

Drago: tussen de 4.000 en 8.000 per partij
Rus: tussen de 4.000 en 9.000 per partij
Kaas: tussen de 4.000 en 8500 per partij

Vincent Vielvoye: tussen de 5.000 en 8.000 per partij
Balrak: tussen de 7500 en 9500 per partij
Moestafa Ziani: tussen de 4.000 en 6500 per partij

Bader hari: tussen de 8.000 en 12.000 per partij

Maar wat zou de vechter nou echt netto overhouden, nadat de belasting en de 10% tot soms 40% voor de trainer eraf zijn..?

Sjaak
10-11-2004, 04:52
http://ca1n.c.yimg.jp/sportsnavi/20041106_titans1st/sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/other/photo/200411/06/a06/pict/pict15.jpg

Top van Semmy en Dave is duidelijk ook heel blij en terecht :thumbs: