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chief108
15-11-2007, 15:48
ik verwachte eigenlijk zo'n gast met een dikke blow in z'n bek en lang blond haar die "Man ... it's like ... it's like everything, dude! You know?" zou zeggen...

maar....
hij weet het echt!! :eek:

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 14/11/2007


Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.
Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos. Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.E8 encapsulates the symmetries of a geometric object that is 57-dimensional and is itself is 248-dimensional. Lisi says "I think our universe is this beautiful shape."What makes E8 so exciting is that Nature also seems to have embedded it at the heart of many bits of physics. One interpretation of why we have such a quirky list of fundamental particles is because they all result from different facets of the strange symmetries of E8.

Lisi's breakthrough came when he noticed that some of the equations describing E8's structure matched his own. "My brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," he tells New Scientist. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"What Lisi had realised was that he could find a way to place the various elementary particles and forces on E8's 248 points. What remained was 20 gaps which he filled with notional particles, for example those that some physicists predict to be associated with gravity.Physicists have long puzzled over why elementary particles appear to belong to families, but this arises naturally from the geometry of E8, he says. So far, all the interactions predicted by the complex geometrical relationships inside E8 match with observations in the real world. "How cool is that?" he says.

The crucial test of Lisi's work will come only when he has made testable predictions. Lisi is now calculating the masses that the 20 new particles should have, in the hope that they may be spotted when the Large Hadron Collider starts up."The theory is very young, and still in development," he told the Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelyhood to this prediction."For comparison, I think the chances are higher that LHC will see some of these particles than it is that the LHC will see superparticles, extra dimensions, or micro black holes as predicted by string theory. I hope to get more (and different) predictions, with more confidence, out of this E8 Theory over the next year, before the LHC comes online."

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox)

Christophe
15-11-2007, 16:07
:confused:

Paganstars
15-11-2007, 16:28
vette shit! wat nou als zijn theorie klopt dan kunnen we dat gezeik over die strings lekker vergeten want dat is zo'n vaag gebrabbel!

chief108
15-11-2007, 16:35
ben benieuwd hoe de gevestigde wetenschappelijke orde hierop gaat reageren...

Paganstars
15-11-2007, 16:37
Zelfde als altijd... sceptisch omdat die kerel geen gevestigde naam in de fysische wereld heeft! Met beetje geluk wordt die kerel zijn theorie postuum erkend als de juiste!

chief108
15-11-2007, 16:42
bennik ook bang voor

of dat iemand anders twee woorden wijzigt en het dan publiceerd...

Paganstars
15-11-2007, 16:43
ja zou me echt niks verbazen! Beetje lullig al dat jatwerk! wees toch eens orgineel net zoals de telefoon bell was niet de uitvinder maar een new yorkse italiaan!

Paganstars
15-11-2007, 16:44
en daarbij ik denk ook niet dat Einstein die theorie in zijn eentje heeft gedaan!

Muay Thai Elite
15-11-2007, 16:56
Ben ik de enige die dat hele verhaal niet leest c.q. niet erg interessant vind?

Justinian
15-11-2007, 16:58
Ben ik de enige die dat hele verhaal niet leest c.q. niet erg interessant vind?
Yep.

Muay Thai Elite
15-11-2007, 17:02
Yep.

Bummer.

TheSkindo
15-11-2007, 18:30
Tesla iemand?

Mickey
15-11-2007, 18:32
Ben ik de enige die dat hele verhaal niet leest c.q. niet erg interessant vind?

Blech! Ketter!

@ Pagan..
Dude! Stringtheorie is zeker niet vaag! Het is momenteel de meest heldere verklaring die relativiteitsleer koppelt aan quantummechanica!

Wat betreft deze theorie: Ik moet zeggen: het klinkt fascinerend! Ik heb de orde die zich overal in het universum tentoonspreid in de kleinste details altijd intrigerend gevonden. Dit zou er ontzettend gaaf op aansluiten!

Bud S
16-11-2007, 12:29
Ben ik de enige die dat hele verhaal niet leest c.q. niet erg interessant vind?

ik ook niet
stelletje nerds

chief108
16-11-2007, 12:41
volgende keer posten we wel weer wat over poepluiers en bierdrinken voor je hoor Willem...

FOCUS
16-11-2007, 12:55
voor de geinteresseerden is dit een goede site:
http://superstringtheory.com/

je hebt twee mogelijkheden, de lekenversie, of de nerd-versie.
goede uitleg:smartass: al mis ik het spaghetti-monster wel een beetje

Bud S
16-11-2007, 13:24
volgende keer posten we wel weer wat over poepluiers en bierdrinken voor je hoor Willem...

fijn

kuntakinte
16-11-2007, 13:26
Ik denk dat het weer zo'n mediaverhaal om niets is
Ten eerste wil ik erop wijzen dat deze man op zijn site naar deferential geometry verwijst,terwijl ik hier nooit van heb gehoord, hij zal wel differential geometry bedoelen

verder zijn de quantummechanica en de relativiteitstheorie volkomen waar op een bepaalde schaal. Dus een theory of everything moet deze twee omvatten. De stringtheorie doet dit, alleen is het niet experimenteel te verifiëren, terwijl dit de basis van de natuurkunde is. Hier zie ik echter niet die relaties zien.
En het standaardmodel is tot nu toe ook helemaal correct gebleken, vooral als het higgs boson wordt gevonden, en dus hoeft deze ook niet verbeterd te worden.
Hij zal het dus goed moeten bewijzen, want er zijn al duizenden van dit soort gevallen geweest.

Paganstars
16-11-2007, 16:35
Tesla iemand?

Erm ja tesla is beetje dubieus TheSkindo!