Is use of cage banned in Netherlands?

[Northernmost]

Regarding on going twitter conversation about why UFC hasn't put up a show in Holland yet and if it's possibly due to cage being banned in NL. So could guys give us up-to-date info on the subject of holding MMA events in a cage in Holland? What's the rule set that is used?

[Marco (scheids)]

As you said .... Cage is banned :-(

[Northernmost]

Out of all the countries central Europe I would have guessed that Holland would have been the last one to ban the use of cage.

[carlo1]

Out of all the countries central Europe I would have guessed that Holland would have been the last one to ban the use of cage.

in the government of holland there is a big discussion about martial arts, because some shooting incidents happened in the audience during fights and because of possible criminal activity around the fighting business.
At this moment it is not even aloud to organize a big kickboks event in Holland.

[NielsN]

As you said .... Cage is banned :-(

No, it's not...

It is a matter of municipal discretion. And right now there appear to be few municipalities who want to risk it. That's different from an outright ban.

[NielsN]

Out of all the countries central Europe I would have guessed that Holland would have been the last one to ban the use of cage.

Holland is not what it used to be. Conservatives have taken over...

[De dikke nudist]

QQ

[Asura]

Holland is not what it used to be. Conservatives have taken over...

Dont listen to this dumbass, cagefighting lost its priviledges under the Kok administration who were about as conservative as Mao ze Tong. The war against kickboxing is also solely conducted by the labor party.

[NielsN]

QQ

Ja. Gewoon jammer.

[WiebeDTC]

If fighting in the cage is banned in the Netherlands, since when? Cause i fought my first fight in a cage at Fight4Fun, At the Koryukan Dojo in Veldhoven, about a year and a half ago

[NielsN]

Dont listen to this dumbass, cagefighting lost its priviledges under the Kok administration who were about as conservative as Mao ze Tong. The war against kickboxing is also solely conducted by the labor party.

Almelo..?

[Atila]

Usage of the cage or "safety boxing ring" as it's also called, it NOT banned in The Netherlands. As stated above, it's indeed a matter of municipal discretion and in the South of the Netherlands it's a lot easier to get it done, than in places like Amsterdam.

But saying "UFC 163 @ AMSTERDAM!" just sounds better than "UFC 163 @ EINDHOVEN", Americans have heard of Amsterdam, not Eindhoven. As long as you make it clear that the cage is used so that the fighers don't fall out of the ring, as happens with regular boxing rings, you might be able to persuade them more easily. MMA is not freefighting (no holds barred), but a lot of people still regard it as such, which is why it's hard to get things done over here.

[Atila]

@WiebeDTC:

Your sensei (Jan) has a good understanding with the city of Veldhoven, which is why they don't hassle him. He's made it very clear how and why the "safety ring" is used, instead of a regular boxing ring. And they agreed with him, which is why he is able to use it

[Asura]

Almelo..?

That was under a more conservative government then this one, so your wrong again.

~Don't be a follower

[NielsN]

That was under a more conservative government then this one, so your wrong again.

~Don't be a follower

Ach lieverd...

As mentioned before, the national government has nothing to do with it. Cagefighting is allowed, and was allowed, also under the 'Kok administration'. What I mean by saying that the conservatives have taken over is that since the beginning of the 21st century there has been an increasing tendency -out of fear and mistrust- to prohibit all sorts of activities. The labor party is also guilty of this.

The mayor of Almelo happens to be a right wing conservative.

[Justinian]

No, it's not...

It is a matter of municipal discretion. And right now there appear to be few municipalities who want to risk it. That's different from an outright ban.

Exactly!!

[Asura]

Ach lieverd...

As mentioned before, the national government has nothing to do with it. Cagefighting is allowed, and was allowed, also under the 'Kok administration'. What I mean by saying that the conservatives have taken over is that since the beginning of the 21st century there has been an increasing tendency -out of fear and mistrust- to prohibit all sorts of activities. The labor party is also guilty of this.

The mayor of Almelo happens to be a right wing conservative.

I would argue the labor party has a lot more to do with creating the legislative hell hole which is the Netherlands, and when you talk about prohibiting martial arts events, Van Der Laan is a lot more prominent then 'Mayor of Almelo".

But its good to see you are peddling back, you just make a random politically charged statement without being able to back it up.

Conservativism= less regulation
Socialism= Regulate everything.

Just a basic lesson in political thought

[Asura]

Exactly!!

I never said it was banned

[NielsN]

I would argue the labor party has a lot more to do with creating the legislative hell hole which is the Netherlands, and when you talk about prohibiting martial arts events, Van Der Laan is a lot more prominent then 'Mayor of Almelo".

But its good to see you are peddling back, you just make a random politically charged statement without being able to back it up.

Conservativism= less regulation
Socialism= Regulate everything.

Just a basic lesson in political thought

No.

[Asura]

uhh... yes. You have absolutely no proof for your initial statement.

[Briant]

I would argue the labor party has a lot more to do with creating the legislative hell hole which is the Netherlands, and when you talk about prohibiting martial arts events, Van Der Laan is a lot more prominent then 'Mayor of Almelo".

But its good to see you are peddling back, you just make a random politically charged statement without being able to back it up.

Conservativism= less regulation
Socialism= Regulate everything.

Just a basic lesson in political thought

Youre confusing conservatism with liberalism.

[Asura]

Youre confusing conservatism with liberalism.

Nope, liberalism only takes fiscal conservatism even further.
Conservatism=small government.
Liberalism= Free market solves all problems

[daanII]

Mao ze Tong.

Mao his tongue? Something like this?

[Asura]

Mao his tongue? Something like this?


http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/...it-d4da8nj.jpg

lol, scherp

[Briant]

Nope, liberalism only takes fiscal conservatism even further.
Conservatism=small government.
Liberalism= Free market solves all problems

Ik ga even op zn nederlands.

Conservatisme betekent het behouden van bepaalde sociale en economische instellingen. Het kan zowel liberaal als socialistisch betekenen, afhankelijk van naar welke tijd/structuur je wil behouden. Conservatisme staat tegenover Progressivisme.

Liberaal en socialisitisch staan tegenover elkaar, socialisme vind dat het kapitaal door de overheid (of overheid achtige instantie) bewaakt moet worden, liberalisme vindt dat er zo min mogelijk overheidsbemoeienis moet zijn. Dit heb je zelf overigens al aangegeven. USA was aanvankelijk een erg liberaal land, maar tegelijkertijd ook erg conservatief op sociaal vlak, voornamelijk door de religieuze tradities die in stand gehouden moesten worden. Inmiddels onder Obama gaat USA langzaam een progressieve, doch socialistische kant op. (alhoewel echt socialisme in USA nooit zou aarden).

Conservatieven in USA zijn dus liberaal ingesteld. Conservatieven in Rusland die terug willen naar de tijden van voor de val van de muur zijn dus socialistisch ingesteld. Omdat de vrije markt in Rusland min of meer is doorgevoerd. Je ziet dus dat beide conservatieve groeperingen 2 totaal verschillende zaken willen. De een wil minder overheidbemoeienis (USA) de ander juist meer (Rusland).

Socialistisch / Liberaal
Conservatief / Progressief