UFC 187 Jones - Johnson

[jantje11]

[jantje11]

[tarantula]

Jantje is goed bezig.

[jantje11]

Thnx Tarantula.

Interessant wat Weidman daar zegt dat Belfort zn testosteron te hoog was tijdens zijn trainingskamp.

[tarantula]

Thnx Tarantula.

Interessant wat Weidman daar zegt dat Belfort zn testosteron te hoog was tijdens zijn trainingskamp.

Een kleine relletje tijdens staredown, ik vraag me af hoe hij dat weet over die testastorone.
Word in ieder geval interessant in de octagon morgen.

[The Company]

Een kleine relletje tijdens staredown, ik vraag me af hoe hij dat weet over die testastorone.
Word in ieder geval interessant in de octagon morgen.

Belfort en Weidman zijn tijdens hun trainingskamp random getest door de NSAC. De resultaten van deze testen zijn openbaar gemaakt.

[Anderson]

Wat gebeurd er nou als Vitor Belfort wint nemen ze z'n titel dan af en wordt die dan voor altijd geschorst?

[The Company]

Volgens mij was Belfort zijn testosteron wel hoog maar net niet te hoog om gepakt te worden. Niet illegaal maar wel vreemd als je bedenkt dat Belfort eerst TRT nodig had omdat zijn testosteron levels zo laag waren.

[donalexandro]

Volgens mij was Belfort zijn testosteron wel hoog maar net niet te hoog om gepakt te worden. Niet illegaal maar wel vreemd als je bedenkt dat Belfort eerst TRT nodig had omdat zijn testosteron levels zo laag waren.

ut of competition test results from Chris Weidman and Vitor Belfort have returned with some surprising results which have sparked comments from both Weidman and Belfort that you can read here. The results are strange, but perhaps not for the reasons Chris thinks.Before discussing that, though, it's important to have at least a basic understanding of the test results and what they can, and cannot, tell us.

First, the caveats.

1. Single urine tests for testosterone levels are notoriously unreliable. Generally for an accurate reading all urine over a 24 hour period is collected and tested. That doesn't seem to be the case here. That means the absolute levels of testosterone (3.7ng/mL x2 for Weidman, and 12ng/mL and 5ng/mL for Belfort) should be taken with a pinch of salt. Where spot urine tests can be useful is for T:E ratios. More on that later.
2. We don't know what time of day these tests were taken (which can make a significant difference), what kind of physical exercise Belfort or Weidman had participated in prior to the test, whether they were taking opiate based painkillers, or any of a dozen other factors which can lower your testosterone levels temporarily.
3. Reference values for testosterone and epitestosterone levels in urine a generally taken from 24 hour samples and converted into ng/mL. This is an imperfect system to say the least. Without knowing the actual reference values the lab has for spot tests, it's essentially impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from the absolute values presented in the tests.

Now, onto the tests themselves. What stood out to me most was that Weidman's T:E ratio was 1:10 on two separate occasions, a month apart. A normal ratio is somewhere around 1:1, though 1:4 through 4:1 will occur in a small percentage of the population. To be completely clear, none of Weidman's other results suggest anything nefarious. This isn't a situation where his results are suspicious and suggest wrongdoing. They're just odd, and I'd hope he gets regular blood tests (which are much more accurate) to make sure nothing is amiss.
Here's the pertinent science regarding these tests:
Normal reference levels for testosterone in urine is about 60ng/mL, based on a published reference range of 9.7ng/mL to 109.7mg/mL (mean average 61.3) for T in urine. Range of 3.7 to 111.0ng/mL (45.8 mean) for epi. The caveat being those numbers seem to be derived from ug/24 hour levels and an assumption of 1l of urine per day.
This means that without baseline measurements, and without knowing the labs reference values, any definitive conclusion about these results would be completely speculative.
Blood test results are typically much more accurate and useful for measuring T levels and drawing any conclusions about absolute levels (as opposed to just a T:E ratio) from a urine test is shaky science at best.
In short, Vitor's results didn't come back with strangely high testosterone levels or T:E ratios.
The change in his testosterone between tests could be easily explained by a number of factors (see above). In fact, if anything they seem to be low. Weidman's numbers are even lower, however, which is strange, but not suggestive of any wrongdoing whatsoever. All of that being said, be very wary of anyone trying to draw strong conclusions from these results, as there is much missing information and even with perfect information, single urine tests are notoriously unreliable indicators of absolute levels of testosterone etc. Which is why blood samples are typically used in medicine instead.

[donalexandro]

Weidman's TE Ratio is bijna even hoog als de random test bij Alistair toen als ik me niet vergis.... Je kan dus over beide speculeren of ze PED's hebben gebruikt tijdens hun voorbereiding.

btw. vinden jullie niet dat Vitor's spieren er veel slapper uit zien?

[Turboknecht]

Die opmerking van Cormier tijdens de weging was lekker handig zeg. Hoogmoed komt voor de val zullen we maar zeggen.

[Kingbalotelli]

NL Ttijden
Pre-Prelims (00.30u op UFC FightPass)
- Josh Sampo vs. Justin Scoggins
- Leo Kuntz vs. Islam Makhachev
- Colby Covington vs. Mike Pyle
Prelims (02.00u op UFC FightPass)
- Nina Ansaroff vs. Rose Namajunas
- Rafael Natal vs. Uriah Hall
- Josh Burkman vs. Dong Hyun Kim
- John Dodson vs. Zach Makovsky
Main Card (04.00u op NLFoxSports 4)
- Joseph Benavidez vs. John Moraga
- Travis Browne vs. Andrei Arlovski
- Donald Cerrone vs. John Makdessi
- Chris Weidman vs. Vitor Belfort
- Anthony Johnson vs. Daniel Cormier

[Kingbalotelli]

Trouwens voor de betters onder ons wie ziet een kans van slagen in dit:
Travis Browne vs Andrei Arlovski : To go to distance
Anthony Johnson by Decision
Donald Cerrone by finish
Chris Weidman by finish

[donalexandro]

Trouwens voor de betters onder ons wie ziet een kans van slagen in dit:
Travis Browne vs Andrei Arlovski : To go to distance
Anthony Johnson by Decision
Donald Cerrone by finish
Chris Weidman by finish

Nee... sowieso Johnson niet by decision en Browne ook niet...


Dan zou ik gewoon op Johnson WIN inzetten en Brown vs Arlov op KO

[Turboknecht]

Travis Browne vs Andrei Arlovski --> Browne (T)KO
Anthony Johnson vs Cormier --> Johnson (T)KO
Chris Weidman vs Vitor --> Weidman by descision

Dat is hoe ik het een beetje voor me zie. Al zou Johnson ook wel op beslissing kunnen winnen.

[donalexandro]

Ik ga inzetten op:

Cerrone WIN
Vitor WIN
Browne WIN
Cromier WIN

Inzet x 13,15

moeilijk maar mogelijk

[Stannos]

Ik heb ingezet op Belfort -> KO/TKO/DQ weidman.
inzet x 8

[Kingbalotelli]

Ik ga inzetten op:

Cerrone WIN
Vitor WIN
Browne WIN
Cromier WIN

Inzet x 13,15

moeilijk maar mogelijk

Vitor gaat dus echt niet winnen

[#teamBADGUY]

Vitor gaat dus echt niet winnen

Browne
belfort
johnson

[jantje11]

[Daniel]

Ik denk dat ik sinds tijden mijn wekker weer eens zet voor een UFC. Op fightrow.eu zijn altijd wel streams te vinden toch ?

[hypergiant]

Beetje overdreven van Weidman.

[pronk]

Cormier
Hoop Vitor ,denk weidman
Browne
Cerrone

[Klassikl]

Ik ga inzetten op:

Cerrone WIN
Vitor WIN
Browne WIN
Cromier WIN

Inzet x 13,15

moeilijk maar mogelijk

Pyle
Dodson
Benavidez
Cerrone

Als je dan toch op opverwinningen in een parlay wil inzetten, lijkt me deze veel veiliger.

[hankmoody]

Misschien namen ze Belford's test af op het verkeerde moment