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    Hij was in een busje getrokken en verkracht in Los Angeles. Daarom ligt het ook zo gevoelig maar als Torres dit niet wist...
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    aah oke...thanks!

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    What's Missing From UFC's Response to Miguel Torres, Rashad Evans? Consistency

    Here's a question that became very important, yet difficult to answer this week: If you're a UFC fighter living in this wild world of social media, how do you know when you've crossed the line between edgy and irredeemably offensive? Better yet, how do you know when crossing that line will get you chewed out by your boss, and how do you know when you've committed an offense so egregious that it's cause for termination?

    Answer: You don't. Not until it's too late. Not until your fate is already sealed. And that, whether you think of yourself as a shockingly clever Twitter comedian or a press conference trash-talk specialist, is a problem.

    It's a problem for fighters, and it's a problem for the UFC. It's also a problem that has a solution, if the UFC cares enough about fairness and clarity to implement it.

    As you probably know by now, two UFC fighters made the issue of sexual assault into fodder for their own attempts at entertainment this week, but with very different repercussions.

    At a UFC on FOX press conference earlier this week, light heavyweight Rashad Evans referenced the Penn State sex abuse scandal when trying to zing former Nittany Lions wrestler Phil Davis. Meanwhile on Twitter, bantamweight Miguel Torres joked about "rape vans," suggesting that if they were renamed "surprise vans," maybe people would be more likely to ride in them.

    Go out on the street and present these two cases to strangers who know nothing about the world of the UFC. See if they can guess which guy got fired, and which got off with just a stern talking to. I'll bet you a six-pack of your finest domestic ale that more people guess wrong than right.

    And honestly, who could blame them? At the risk of getting into the nebulous business of doling out offensiveness points for each remark, I feel pretty confident asserting that what Evans said was far worse than what Torres tweeted. Evans took a real situation, involving real, living children who have suffered through an unimaginable nightmare (here we insert that useful qualifier allegedly), and made light of it for the purposes of insulting a future opponent.

    Torres? His tweet similarly made light of sexual assault, but at least he wasn't using a specific incident involving living people as his springboard to comedy. At least he was dealing more in the abstract, and at least he didn't say it while trying to promote a fight being broadcast by the UFC's new network TV partner.

    But really, that's splitting hairs. Both guys messed up. Both should have known better, especially after Forrest Griffin made headlines with the exact same mistake very recently. But the consequences for Evans and for Torres were so bafflingly different, it's hard to call it anything other than open hypocrisy on the UFC's part.

    UFC president Dana White told our own Ariel Helwani that he likes to decide these things on a case-by-case basis. He talks to the parties involved (or, in the case of Torres, has someone else talk to him and report back), asks them to explain just what in the hell was going on in their heads when they made these remarks, then decides on how to deal with them.

    In the case of Evans, the explanation was that he got carried away trying to burn a college rival for the entertainment of others. This, apparently, was good enough. He got a lecture from White, and that was that.

    In the case of Torres, he was trying to be funny. As anyone who follows his Twitter already knows, it's something he strives for often, and he probably hits more than he misses. This time he missed, and it cost him his job. Could he have possibly known beforehand that this tweet would get him fired? Not really. He should have known that it might get him in trouble, that it was a bad idea and a pretty tasteless attempt at humor, but there was no precedent to suggest that a UFC fighter might lose his job for joking about sexual assault. Those jokes had happened already, but the firings hadn't.

    That's the problem with the whole case-by-case basis method, as presented by White. Fighters are put in the position not of figuring out what's right and wrong, or what's a good idea and what's a bad one. No, they just have to figure out how the boss is going to react, and that seems largely dependent on who they are and what they mean to the company.

    Don't believe me? Imagine for a moment that Brock Lesnar had sent out the exact same tweet as Torres. You think he'd be headed back to the WWE with his pink slip in his enormous hands right now? Not a chance. He'd have gotten a phone call from White and a slap on his enormous wrists, and that would have been that.

    But Torres? He sends out a tweet that Michael Landsberg uses to surprise and embarrass White with on Canadian TV, and on the week of an event in Toronto? Screw him. He's done.

    Not only is that not fair, it doesn't even serve the desired purpose. It doesn't make UFC fighters in general more sensitive to what might offend others. It just makes them perform an internal calculus to assess their own standing and value to the UFC before they determine what they can get away with.

    This is only part of the reason why the UFC needs a clear, consistent code of conduct for its fighters. It needs some formal policy that not only tells fighters in plain English (or Portuguese or Japanese or French, etc.) what not to do before they do it, but also what's gong to happen to them if they do it anyway.

    The UFC needs this not just for tweets and jokes and public comments, but also for more serious issues like drug abuse and criminal offenses. Anybody remember Vinicius Quieroz? He's the Brazilian fighter who was released after one fight when the UFC's independent drug tests nabbed him for steroid use. Meanwhile, Chris Leben tested positive for the same exact steroid on a different fight card, then tested positive for prescription painkillers Oxycodone and Oxymorphone in his most recent outing, and he got off with suspension in both cases.

    That's what you call a double standard. When two UFC employees can commit the same offenses and receive different punishments, it tells everyone -- fans, fighters, media, sponsors -- that this is not a level playing field. All are not equal in the UFC's commonwealth. Some guys can be jerks and get away with it, while others get fired.

    It's not just a question of forcing the UFC to slap all the wrists equally. When White says he doesn't see the point of reading some canned statement written by a lawyer just to mollify critics, he makes a good point. That wouldn't accomplish much, and it would clearly be an empty gesture designed solely to get people off his back.

    But neither does it help to apply a hazy standard of decency unevenly after the fact. If no one knows for sure what's permitted and what isn't, some people are bound to mess up without realizing what they've done. As of now, UFC fighters have no way to determine how the UFC will punish them, or even if it will punish them at all.

    That's not fair to the guys like Torres, who got made an example of even after previous examples got away with almost the exact same thing. It's also not helpful to guys like Griffin or Evans, who have essentially learned that they can get away with the kind of stuff that will get the Miguel Torreses of the UFC world fired.

    That's why the UFC needs a code of conduct that spells out which infractions will result in which punishments. It needs to let fighters know where the line is before they've crossed it. It needs to let fans know that it's serious about making sure fighters conduct themselves like professionals, and not just with smacking them around after the fact, with the force and severity of the blows dependent on how many pay-per-views they sell. It needs a little consistency and a little fairness. The sooner it institutes such a policy, the sooner it can stop some of this stuff before it starts.

    http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/aol-sports/dana-white-interview-on-torres-release/1317267145001
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackadder View Post
    Dana hoort verkracht te worden.
    Het is maar goed dat je anoniem bent, straks wordt je ontslagen door je baas die je even googlet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZakKa! View Post
    Het is maar goed dat je anoniem bent, straks wordt je ontslagen door je baas die je even googlet...
    Gelukkig heeft die ook een hekel aan Dana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackadder View Post
    Gelukkig heeft die ook een hekel aan Dana.
    Haha dat is mooi
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    Ni politicien ni militaire, je ne suis qu'un troubadour...

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    Zijn argumenten gaan nergens over. Gewoon een hypocriet.
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    Ik vind persoonlijk Rashad's remark veel erger omdat dat echt over een specifiek incident ging. Wat zouden de slachtoffers van dat incident daar wel niet van denken? Ten minste was Torres opmerking vrij algemeen.
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    Hij heeft een veroordeeld crimineel op zijn rooster staan. Maar een tweet...fuck no!!!
    Val toch dood skinhead.

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    En daarom verpest internet relaties, jobs etc.

    Hou die shit voor je, niet iedereen hoeft je grappig te vinden ..praat normaal en joke over zoiets met je vrienden.

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    Als ik een tijdmachine had zou ik diegene die politiek correctheid heeft verzonnen door ze kop knallen. Wat een schijnheilige onzin. En Dana vind dus grappen over echt verkrachte kinderen minder erg dan een algemeen grapje over verkrachting.
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    Former UFC bantamweight Miguel Torres, who was released from the promotion yesterday for a rape-related tweet, has come out and made a statement on his personal website.

    Read what Torres had to say in the full entry, courtesy of MiguelTorresMMA.com

    “I have a lot to be thankful for in my life, I have my beautiful wife and daughter, my family, my health, my gym, and in terms of my career, I succeeded to the biggest stage in the sport of mixed martial arts, the Ultimate Fighting Championship. I am very sorry for upsetting my bosses at the UFC, and also to my fans and everyone else who was upset by the language in my tweets. I understand it was wrong, and I meant no harm or disrespect. Given the chance, I will do whatever it takes to make things right. I am going to learn from this. I think life throws you opportunities that can make you a better person, and so that’s what I’m going to do here. That is how I am going to react. I am going to use this to improve myself, and I hope that my fans will continue to support me.”

    It appears Torres is taking full responsibility for his tweet, and accepts the punishment that has been handed down to him.

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    Je moet met je hoofd onder het bureau als je voor UFC werkt.
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    Als de UFC Torres nu niet terug neemt zijn het echt morons.

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    Miguel Torres Apologizes for Offensive Tweets That Cost Him His Job

    It's been a whirlwind 24 hours for Miguel Torres, the former bantamweight champion of the world who suddenly lost his job in the UFC after posting bizarre messages on Twitter that appeared to make light of rape. On Friday Torres posted a message on his personal web site apologizing and saying he hopes to get a second chance.

    "I have a lot to be thankful for in my life, I have my beautiful wife and daughter, my family, my health, my gym, and in terms of my career, I succeeded to the biggest stage in the sport of mixed martial arts, the Ultimate Fighting Championship," Torres wrote. "I am very sorry for upsetting my bosses at the UFC, and also to my fans and everyone else who was upset by the language in my tweets. I understand it was wrong, and I meant no harm or disrespect. Given the chance, I will do whatever it takes to make things right. I am going to learn from this. I think life throws you opportunities that can make you a better person, and so that's what I'm going to do here. That is how I am going to react. I am going to use this to improve myself, and I hope that my fans will continue to support me."

    The apology from Torres did not include any explanation for what motivated his tweets, although the tweet that garnered the most attention was a reference to the ribald television show It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

    In that tweet, Torres wrote, "If a rape van was called a surprise van more women wouldn't mind going for rides in them. Everyone like surprises." It apparently didn't dawn on Torres that on Twitter, he wasn't just having a private conversation with a fellow fan of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. He was broadcasting to the 50,000 or so people who follow him, not to mention the tens of thousands more who saw his tweet elsewhere. Torres offered no context for that "joke" and the majority of the people who read his tweet had no idea why he would tweet such a message.

    That included UFC President Dana White, who found out about the tweet during a media interview and reacted swiftly by cutting Torres from the UFC's roster. That rash decision by White has in turn been criticized by some who said that White overreacted, and by many who have noted that the UFC inconsistently applies its standards about what's suitable for public discourse and what isn't.

    What's unclear now is whether Torres's apology will get him back into the UFC's good graces, or whether his social media lapse in judgment will require him to find another promotion if he wants to keep making a living as an MMA fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionheart View Post
    Ja, er worden met 2 maten gemeten binnen de UFC..

    Chael gepakt met steroiden en hij zit nog gewoon bij de organisatie, Nate Marquardt hele mooie nette vechter wordt met bijna hetzelfde gepakt en wordt ge-cut.

    Dana die wilt gewoon laten zien dat de UFC politiek correct is, wat ik eigenlijk ook wel kan begrijpen nu het steeds groter en groter begint te worden ook dmv nieuw contract met FOX etc.

    Dana kan heel irritant zijn, maar deze man maakt het MMA wel steeds mooier en mooier.
    Zijn nieuwe plannen om een World cup te creeren dmv verschillende TUF's te organiseren in oa Australie, Brazilie, Canada, Engeland en misschien de Fillipijnen. (UFC, Dana White Plan On Making TUF World Cup | MMAWeekly.com) . Dat is toch te cool voor woorden!

    Van zulke berichten word ik echt blij. Dus aan deze bold fuck head hebben wij ook veel moois te danken!
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    Echt klote want Torres is echt een spectaculaire vechter!!!

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    Dana lijkt tegenwoordig net een voetbalvrouw.

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    Chris Leben dan met zijn painkillers... Dat is op zijn minst zo erg als wat Nate had gedaan. Maar nee hoor Chris Leben is te geliefd bij de fans.
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    Ach met D. white weet je het nooit. Kan ook een marketing deal zijn, af en toe een vechtervia en door soc. media extra onder de aandacht brengen. Want was het niet DAna White die vechters meer zou betalen als ze meer op twitter aanwezig zouden zijn. De man is een zakenman pur sang, zal niet snel iets doen wat hem veel geld kost. Eerst zorgen voor of inspelen op controversie en dan uitmelken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 123trisweat View Post
    Ach met D. white weet je het nooit. Kan ook een marketing deal zijn, af en toe een vechtervia en door soc. media extra onder de aandacht brengen. Want was het niet DAna White die vechters meer zou betalen als ze meer op twitter aanwezig zouden zijn. De man is een zakenman pur sang, zal niet snel iets doen wat hem veel geld kost. Eerst zorgen voor of inspelen op controversie en dan uitmelken.
    idd. binnenkort komt er een persbericht: you guys wanted it so we take him back. Everybody can make mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyodor View Post
    Sowieso moet Dana zich een beetje heel erg schamen, hij is degene die om de haverklap 'f*cking this, f*cking that, holy shit' enzovoorts zegt. En dat is nota bene de president van een groot bedrijf als de UFC. Hoezo dubbele standaarden?
    Dit dus. Die man maakt zichzelf alweer belachelijk.

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    Miguel Torres Back in the UFC After Making Amends for Controversial Tweet

    Miguel Torres has paid his price, served his penance, and his sins are now forgiven. Just 20 days after being fired from the UFC for an offensive tweet, UFC president Dana White appeared alongside Torres following Wednesday's UFC 141 pre-fight press conference to announce that the former WEC bantamweight champ is officially back in the organization.

    "I was on vacation the last ten days, and his manager texted me and asked if they could come meet with me today," White told reporters. "So I said yes -- none of this was planned or anything -- I said yes, and he came in this morning and sat me down and basically said, since the incident happened, he's gone and reached out to every rape crisis center in Chicago and met with the people who run it and sat down and talked to them. He's donated money to all the rape crisis centers. He's been taking rape sensitivity classes, etcetera, etcetera."

    A soft-spoken Torres said he visited five different rape crisis centers in the Chicago area, donating money and talking with the people there about the power his words have, even in an off-hand attempt at humor on Twitter, he said.

    "I got educated, basically," said Torres. "I got put to school."

    White said that Torres undertook that endeavor entirely on his own, and with no prompting or promises from the UFC.

    "He wasn't told to do it," White said. "He wasn't told, if you do this, we'll think about bringing you back or if you do this, you'll come back. He wasn't told anything, because we never talked."

    Torres again apologized to the people he'd offended with his tweet about a "rape van," and thanked the supporters who stood behind him. As for what he would have done had the UFC not taken him back, he said, there was no back-up plan.

    "When I got cut, it showed me that what I say on Twitter, what I say on social media is very powerful. I took a lot of heat for what I said. I manned up and I took it on the chin. I realized that words are very powerful, and I'm very sorry. I know what I say can hurt people."

    If anyone could sympathize with a man tormented by the swift retribution for controversial public remarks, it's White. He made repeated reference to a video blog he put out in 2009 where he used homosexual epithets to describe anonymous sources in an article by reporter Loretta Hunt, and said that experience still lingers with him long after he issued a public apology.

    "It's hard to explain what you go through when something like this happens," said White. "I've been there and done it. And then you get labeled. I'm labeled as a homophobe. They still come after me for that. It's the furthest thing from the truth. And if I was, I'd tell you, trust me."

    But now that Torres has made peace with the UFC and gotten himself back on the roster, what is White planning to ensure these incidents don't happen again? Not much, as it turns out. At least, not officially. If seeing one of their own get cut for such a questionable use of social media didn't make enough of an impact, fighters might have to find out for themselves on a case-by-case basis, White suggested.

    When fighters are trying to figure out what will and won't get them in trouble, he said, "It's common sense. And listen, sometimes we've got to go through stuff like this to realize it."

    In other words, no formal policy for UFC fighters on matters like these is in the works. And why not?

    "Because I don't want to," White said.

    "I was criticized for cutting him. Now I'll be criticized for bringing him back," said the UFC president. "The bottom line is I don't give a [expletive] what anybody thinks or what anybody says. I don't give a [expletive] what your opinion is, I'm going to do this the way I want to do it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromios View Post
    idd. binnenkort komt er een persbericht: you guys wanted it so we take him back. Everybody can make mistakes.
    Ik kijk nu in een interview en hij zegt precies dat. 'Everybody makes mistakes' hahahaha
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